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Prospect Comp: Jameson Taillon vs Dylan Bundy

In wake of John Sickels latest offering, I felt now was the most appropriate time to drop the first part of my prospect comparison series. This particular pairing also has bearing on my next set of 10 rounds in my 50 round dynasty draft. Today, we'll be comparing and contrasting two highly regarded high school pitching prospects who just so happened to be in back to back draft classes. Fittingly, I enlisted the expertise of the aforementioned prospect guru for his help in differentiating between the two.

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The Basics:

Jameson Taillon- Height: 6'6"- Weight: 225 lbs-Throws: Right- Drafted: 2nd overall in 2010 by the Pittsburgh Pirates-Most Impressive Senior Year Stat(s(): A 19 strikeout No-Hitter vs Conroe High School- Repertoire: Fastball, Slider, Curveball, Changeup

Dylan Bundy- Height: 6'1"- Weight: 200 lbs- Throws: Right- Drafted: 4th overall in 2011 by the Baltimore Orioles- Most Impressive Senior Year Stat(s): K/BB 158/5 ERA 0.25- Repertoire: Fastball, Curveball, Cutter, Changeup

-I asked John if either player's high school performance should be taken with a grain of salt, did either have an advantage over the other in terms of opposition.

JS: Well, both of them came out of very competitive high school programs. Taillon is from The Woodlands, Texas, which is a suburb of Houston, while Bundy comes from Owasso, Oklahoma, a suburb of Tulsa. Taillon's competition was probably a tad better but both of them were tested against good competition in high school and on the showcase circuit. I don't think we need to weight one over the other on this factor.


-Physically, Taillon might seem more imposing than Bundy. His build is seen as, more of a traditional pitcher's frame. I have not read or heard of any concerns regarding Bundy's ability to manage the innings expected of a front-line starter, which gave me cause to enquire.

JS: Taillon is 6-6, 225, while Bundy is listed 6-1, 200. Taillon has "better" size, but Bundy is an excellent athlete and scouts don't have any concerns there. They should both be durable, or rather let me say that neither one of them has any red flag indicating that their injury risk is any higher than normal for a pitcher in their age cohort.

-In terms of fantasy play, the greatest concern I have over either of these players is the organization they were drafted into. Neither the Pirates nor the Orioles have had much success when it comes to developing pitchers. The Orioles may have done a better job drafting in recent years, but those prospects have not lived up to the hype when they reached the major league level, and some have regressed after their initial season. I was curious if this was taken into consideration at all, when evaluating the player in the long term.


JS: Well as you point out, neither of these teams has a really good track record lately with these types of pitchers, so that is a wash. That said, both Taillon and Bundy are special enough that the organizational context doesn't concern me that much, not enough to lower their grades or expectations anyway.

-Both pitcher's were seen as very advanced for high school pitchers, but how do they stack up against one another in terms of velocity, movement, command, and mechanics?

JS: Fastball velocity: well, keep in mind that we've seen Taillon in pro ball and we haven't seen Bundy. Pitchers often lose a few MPH as they come into pro ball compared to high school, so making a direct comparison here might be misleading until we see Bundy. Taillon worked at 92-95 last year and has been clocked as high as 99. Bundy worked at 94-98 in high school topping at 100. On just velocity Bundy might have a slight edge, but again that's misleading until we see what he does with a pro workload. This looks pretty even to me.


Movement: both fastballs have above-average to excellent movement. I've seen both described as "explosive."

Secondary pitches: Taillon has an excellent curveball and very good slider. His changeup is in progress but if everything goes right he'll have a complete arsenal with three or four plus pitches. Bundy has an excellent curveball, a cutter, and a changeup. Like Taillon, Bundy will have a complete arsenal with three or four plus pitches. It all looks very even to me.

Command: Well we haven't seen Bundy's command against pro hitters but it was rated very highly in high school. Taillon showed good command last year in Low-A.

Mechanics: I will say that Bundy's mechanics are cleaner in my opinion than Taillon's were at the same stage.

-So at this point we know that both pitcher's have front of the rotation stuff, with Taillon having better size, and Bundy having better mechanics, essentially equalling each other out in the +/- category. All things being equal, who does John give the edge to?


JS: I have a better "gut feeling" about Bundy. I actually rate Taillon a notch above him on my Top 50 pitchers list because we have some pro data to work with and we don't have anything for Bundy yet, but if there was no pro data at all, my gut would say Bundy.

-While there may be no definitive, right or wrong when drafting either in long term league's this season, Bundy is who I favor. I had the opportunity to draft him much later than other top pitching prospects in my 50 round dynasty draft. And while Taillon has been called the best high school pitching prospect since Josh Beckett (at the time of his draft of course), Bundy was labeled the "Best HS arm/pitcher I've ever seen!!!" by one unidentified scouting director via Baseball America's "Ask BA" back in May. For what it's worth, Jim Callis also prefers Bundy to Taillon.

Thanks to John Sickels of Minor League Ball for taking the time out to answer these questions. I suggest you order a copy of his 2012 Baseball Prospect Book, if you haven't ordered a physical copy by now, you can place an order for the e-book here.

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Comments

Bundy

Although he hasn’t pitched professionally yet, he might well be ready before Taillon. One of the things I’ve noticed from a lot of the prospect people so far is that they are surprised by just how raw Taillon still is, and how far he has to go.

Taillon

I read that the Pirates asked him to only throw certain pitches to save his arm…..I forget the details though. But the thought was he would be allowed to throw all of his pitches this year.

Heard that too

But I think a lot of organisations focus on the fastball at that stage of development. I’m not sure the Pirates are unique there.

Correct, they focus on fastball command

the Pirates will take the kid gloves off of him this year.

Bundy or Bauer

Dynasty draft keep them indefinitely, who are you taking?

Bauer

So many bad things can happen in the 3 years it will take Bundy to get to the majors. He does have a slightly higher ceiling but not at all worth the risk IMO. I had second overall in a dynasty draft a month ago, Profar was first overall, I went Bauer second. Bundy wasn’t taken for a handful of picks after that.

Cole if he's there
Id take Bauer

Because I see him as being no more than 1 full season away, maybe 1 1/2 if its super two related, idk how super two is determined under the new cba so maybe it wouldn’t even come down to that. But after Bauer I’d take Bundy over any other pitcher from this past year’s draft, its not even close to me really. Bauer/Bundy and then everyone else. I like Hultzen to be the first from that class to reach the majors also, possibly this year.

Also

I feel Bundy has the ability to move quicker than most expect. Based on talent alone I feel he could debut in 2014, but the Orioles will be implenting a new system wide pitching philosophy so they may be as cautious as the Pirates were or may require significant innings at every level like the Rays do.

Taillon

the main issue I had with him is that he never pitched more than 5 innings in any one of his 23 starts last season and had numerous outings of less than that. I understand they had him on a pitch count, but certainly you’d expect that he’d still be able to go longer in games with such great stuff, even by accident.

Does having him on such a strict pitch count make anyone question how the Pirates are handling him?

I heard that they had

him on a count of 75 pitches or 5 IP, so he was always stopped at 5IP whatever. Don’t know if that’s true or not.

IP limit

I had brought that up as well but it appears I didn’t paste that section. Fail for that. Anyway, John said he felt there would be no adverse effect, he also likened the approach to that of the Rays and how they handle their pitchers. Ill post his exact words when I’m on a comp. My bad for leaving that out guys.

It Is

He was never going beyond 5 IP. I wouldn’t make an issue of that with him, as I imagine they’ll open him up a bit more this season. That said, he’s not going to move quickly and they have no reason to rush him, so if you want value for your pick sooner, go with someone else.

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